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Oct 23 15 8:36 AM

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Hello everyone,

I found this forum by way of CureZone and am feeling a bit overwhelmed with the amount of information I've been taking in lately. I was hoping to get some advice from you all on here who have probably been at this longer than me.

Through the Genova CDSA test I found that I had a +2 result for yeast/fungi of unknown taxonomy and a positive result for "parasite present; taxonomy unknown" a couple years ago. My symptoms mainly involve the skin -- dryness, itchiness, dandruff, etc. I got my PCP to prescribe fluconzole at one time and this completely got rid of my symptoms (for 2 weeks, then it came back). At the time I did not follow any anti-candida diet or make other changes and I believe that was my mistake, along with a treatment that wasn't long enough. I recently came into contact with some mold in some leaf mulch and now have continuous peeling of the skin on my hands and feet. That was the last straw.

I've decided to attack this full on with all my will. I am currently following a candida protocol put forth by a member of the curezone forums and it is working very well for me. It involves a low-carb/suger anti-candida diet, gut healing supplements, bio-film enzymes, and anti-fungal herbs/drugs (including nystatin) followed by pro/prebiotics. It's a lot of pills to take every day, the diet is not easy, and the enemas take a lot of my time. Needless to say it is difficult but worth it so far. 10 days in and my symptoms are reduced greatly.

I have done a lot of reading on parasites since then and am worried that this PPTU diagnosis on my lab results could be harboring the fungus. If I spend 3-6 months trying to eraddicate the fungus only to have it come right back because I still have a parasite that brings it back? I'm not even sure if that can happen but from what I've read it seems they can work synergystically together. I read the guide to interpreting the CDSA results in this forum and noticed it said that if you get a PPTU you should attack the other things first and maybe things will just balance out. Is that the general advice of this forum as well? I would hate to waste 6 months of my life (and a lot of money) on trying to treat my fungal overgrowth and have to do it all over again because I missed something like this parasite.

I'm sorry this is long winded. I appreciate any advice on how to proceed. Incorporate a parasite cleanse in wtih my current protocol? Wait until I'm done with the anti-fungals and see what happens? Pay a bunch of money for a better protozoa analysis test? Thanks in advance.

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Oct 24 15 12:13 AM

With these problems there are not well defined protocols, so it has to addressed from a trial and error process. Metametrix (Genova) has discontinued the PCR analysis of parasites mainly due tot he gray area caused by the PPTU diagnosis. With the research I did, my opinion is that the test was working correctly and it is likely that the positive finding was correct but they could not identify the specific parasite. There are a number of parasites that are not recognized as pathogenic but this was based on old research. New research points to the idea that there can be other parasites causing problems.

The gut is a very complex organism that has a multitude of organisms living in it. So if a pathogen resides in the gut then it is likely to disrupt the normal flora. I would suspect this is due to the immune system reacting in the gut trying to destroy the pathogen. Most of the immune response is located in the gut and this is because this area is the most susceptible to pathogenic invasion. There is a clear connection between the gut and the brain as well.

Biofilm environments help protect the pathogens from eradication and you mentioned enzymes in your fungal approach. I would suggest looking at the biofilm pdf link I posted earlier. I have found that lactoferrin or lactoferrin with xylitol works best. Many believe that unless you attack the biofilm environment then then infections will linger. So that might be something to look at. With the lactoferrin, I would approach with caution meaning that too fast of eradication can overwhelm the body, so go slow and cautious. -

There are a number of natural remedies that can address both the fungal and parasite issue at the same time. Caprylic acid, neem and hemp oil (stuff you buy at the store) would be a good start. You can add other things to the mix later.

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Oct 26 15 2:39 AM

Propolis is something that may help. It kills a lot of different things. I just use raw Nigella sativa seeds for fungal issues. It cleans them up pretty quick.

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Oct 26 15 10:15 PM

Good call on the nigella sativa (black seed), everything I have read states it is a comprehensive killer (wide spectrum) much like garlic.

 I was looking at lactoferrin again which has helped and they were recommending the Interfase Plus product from Klaire. This is a multi spectrum enzyme product designed for biofilm disruption, contains pectinase which is the only enzyme that seemed to work though I took that in another formula. Also has some lyzozyme. Lyzozyme is similar to lactoferrin in which it provides mucousal immunity protection and I beleive that both are naturally produced enzymes by the human body. Lyzozyme has anti bacterial properties and also has anti fungal properties according to this Medline article http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC88334/

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Oct 27 15 4:04 AM

Thanks. I will look into these and considering adding them to my protocol. I am slightly concerned about wide spectrum herbals that will kill off good gut bacteria. Is that the case with propolis and nigella sativa? Should I wait to start probiotics? I am already doing Klaire Interfase and lactoferrin for biofilm disruption --

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